Derrick

Hello Douglas, congratulations for your coaches being in the catalogue now. And thank you for your engagement! Best regards Derrick

Heute abend scheint ein Update von V8 gelaufen zu sein: Ich konnte die Halb-Restaurantwagen auf meine Anlage importieren. Gruß Derrick

Lieber Brummi, ist Dein "Spitzname" eigentlich Programm? Deine Sachkritik ist durchaus berechtigt und wird absolut geschätzt. Aber mußtest Du den armen Douglas so anfahren, wie Du es auf seine Frage nach der Größe der Fenster getan hast? Ich finde, das sollte man unter Freunden einfach nicht machen. Daher mein Kommentar. Liebe Grüße Derrick

Hello Douglas, Your test of the green 2nd class coach is the best possible result on which the majority of participants in our long discussion should be able to agree. That's at least what I think. Good night. Derrick

Ich habe das Problem in derselben Weise. Derrick

Stimmt. Aber der Ton sollte immer verbindlich sein! Derrick

Sed friedlich, Freunde! Hier bemüht sich einer redlich und freiwillig, und alle anderen "kritteln" an ihm herum. Das ist nicht fair! Derrick

Hello Douglas, It was never my intention to blame you!! Just your wish to help us is more than we can expect. Of course, it is not easy to make a model if you never saw the original. But I thought you got enough information from your cooperation partners to know how the coaches looked in reality. The following link seems me to be able to give you a good impression of the coaches which were subject of my first enquiry: https://www.ewmb.de/product_info.php?info=p2000110585_roco-54450-h0-schnellzugwagen-der-db-4er-set.html&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlL6Pj7nn-wIVifJ3Ch3EmA5JEAkYASABEgLZiPD_BwE Since DB changed look and colours of their coaches very often in a couple of years, it is impossible to model all possible types. So, I would be quite content to have the models you have prepared on my layout. But what I do no understand is why just the green 2nd class coach has a dark grey roof whereas all other variations have a light grey roof. You may see that from my attached picture. I don't want to prejudice all other interessees to this subject but I would wish to have one unitary colour of the roofs. And that would be the light grey variation. Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, I'm pleased to finally greet the 2nd class models. A fine piece of handycraft! I wouldn't mind, that the real difference between 1st and 2nd class is the number and size of windows since the appartements in the 1st are, of course, larger. But I wonder why the roof of only the green version of 2nd is darker than all the other models. And what about the luggage coaches? Best regards Derrick

Hello, as far as I know, all the coaches of our set were on track with a silver roof. But not exclusively. No train company in all Europe made so many experiences with colours in order to find their definite image. Would it be too much work, if all varieties could be delivered with a silvern or a dark roof. It would, of course, mean the double number of textures. As said before, i wouldn't mind to have only dark roofs. Regards Derrick

Hi, auch bei mir wird die Berechtigung versagt! Derrick

Hello Douglas, perhaps this may be helpful to you: The colour I think to be most adequate can be found on ID 8BA4A33E-1D93-4DF1-9923-B168C1019F40 from the MBS catalogue. I repeat: For me it is not deciding, that every detail corresponds to history. I would be absolutely content if all the roofs are dark. Don't worry too much. Advising is much easier than doing! Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, hello all other participants of correspondence about looking of coaches of DB in the 80s! I do not intend to blow up the discussion about colour of the roofs again. But I am convinced that at this time the roofs had a shade of silver. As a proof I enclose two homemade photos of coaches on my real model layout in Märklin Z. I started it just at the time we are talking of, i.e. early 1980s. They show, too, that the first series of the ivory/ocean blue coaches had this roof. We know them also from MBS catalogue. I don't matter what will be the choice of majority. I also like the models of Douglas with the dark roofs. The main thing is to have coaches from that time. Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, the colour of the coach in blue seems to be out of discussion. The silvery roof is the version I took out of the Märklin catalogue from the early 1980s. That was the time when DB changed its colours to ivory/ocean blue. So, it must have been the last version of the old coloration. The two-coloured coaches were only experiences that didn't last for long. But I'm not overly accurate and would accept also the dark roof as the standard for your models. Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, I just come from updating V8 and indeed I got the model on my layout. We need still a 5th texture: Blue. That was the longtime colour at DB. By the way, i clicked your link to Google drive for Stephanie. I find several files but I cannot open them. Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, I need your help still in an other respect: By a regrettable error I deleted the mbe-file of Stephanie 01. Trying to restore it from your downloaded Google link I were facing error remarks from the programs, i.e. V7 and V8. Is your link invalid or do you have any other explanation for this? I think that it is due to the change of version in the meantime. Thanks in advance for your help and best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, Your photos look nice. But I were unable to get the models with the code in your message. My fault or what? Please help. Best regards Derrick

Die Begründung scheint stimmig. Ich habe kein Problem mit dieser Variante. Derrick

Hello Douglas, I vote for option number 1. Both varieties are in use in the catalogue. I think it to be a good idea, however, to find all components of a train under one item number - except of the locomotives, of course. Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, that's really good news!!!! Best regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, This morning I have downloaded your drafts to my layout. The photos below show them in "action". The green version is coupled to 2nd class coach with the new texture of BahnLand. The other one is joined to an original model from the catalogue. Wouldn't you agree to my impression that your drafts seem a little "Cinderella-like"? Would a be too much work for you or too much power-taking for the computer if the resolution of the textures would be increased? Not the details in the interior are important but the "clearness" of the outside lines, particularly the scripts and the window frames. By the way, the DB sign looks to me like mirror written, at least on the left side. Also the colours could be a little improved. If you need good examples of the original coaches please check this link http://www.modellbau-wiki.de/wiki/DB_Bpmz I do hope you won't blame me for my critics. I'm so grateful to you for undertaking all efforts. And if there are good reasons for not improving the drafts I'll have to accept them and will have the coaches running on my layout anyway. Very best regards Derrick

Great! Thank you so much, Douglas! Derrick

Hello Douglas, you really didn't disappoint me. The coach is almost perfect. I'm eagerly looking forward to the respective file. Thank you for your engagement. Enjoy the evening. Best regards Derrick

Would you mind to make an alternative texture in dark green, too, as on my first picture? It would complete the train I could establish with the data received from BahnLand. Regards Derrick

Hello Douglas, the coach is already looking very nice. I think that there existed also a version with dark roof. In compliance with the other coaches of the train it should be silver. The large doors for luggage should be a little more accentuated. Enclosed a picture from the Märklin catalogue 1983/84. Have a nice day Derrick